Craig Stevenson ([info]scouseboy) wrote,
@ 2003-09-25 15:35:00
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Toilet Nazi
I have a confession to make.

I'm a Toilet Nazi.

Not in my own home, I hasten to add. Nor in the homes of friends, or indeed any household toilet. No, I'm only a Toilet Nazi at work.

The office toilet I use houses two urinals, two cubicles, two sinks and a rollatowel. There are a number of such toilets in the building. About 40 men use this one.

Maybe it's the Englishman in me, but I believe there's an etiquette in casual toilet encounters.
I've just re-read that, and it doesn't quite sound as I intended.

Maybe I'm repressed when it comes to my ablutions. I know that toilet habits differ from place to place. Apparently, the French shit into a massive pit in the centre of Paris, or so I'm told. That's fine, to each his own... to a point. All I know is that when I'm having a little private time on the loo, there are things people do that make my blood boil. And if I wasn't sat with my pants round my ankles, I would happily kill people who commit these most cardinal of sins. And I could flush their battered remains down the pan, too, with the minimum of fuss.

Here's some of the unforgivable errors people make. Anyone doing these deserves gassing. And being in a gentleman's lavatory, gassing is a big possibility.

Sin Number One: Space

When I go to a urinal, I expect people to consider my personal space. If I take the furthest urinal from the entrance, the correct urinal for the next would-be pisser is the urinal equidistant between the door and myself. This gives the participants in the urine ballet no apprehensions about the new bloke.
If the wrong spot at the watering hole is chosen, it can lead to thoughts such as these:
"He's standing too close! He wants an eyeful of my meaty goodness. I must stab him."
"He's standing too far away! Is he ashamed of his little boy? Is he diseased? I must stab him."
"He's pissing into the sink! Is he some sort of animal? Now he's wiping his goods on the rollatowel! I must stab him."
As you can see, incorrect toilet placement can lead to stabbings nine times out of ten.
At my work, there are two urinals per mensroom. There should be a note pinned to the mensroom door: 'If one urinal is occupied, piss in a cubicle! Don't make me get my knife out.'
Then everyone would be happy.

Sin Number Two: Talking

I'm stood at the urinal, gently venting. A collegue approaches, unzips, and stands next to me. The cubicles are empty. Overlooking the sinful faux pas of not using a cubicle for his piss, the guy begins to chat.
"So, did you see the match last night?"
Shut the fuck up.
I do not want to stand chatting about football with someone I am not particularly friendly with. Especially while we both have our cocks out, and are shaking them. Respect my space, and my silence.
Talking in a toilet can lead anywhere. What starts as manly grunts over sporting triumphs soon becomes bitching about wives and girlfriends, and before you know it, you're both locked in a bear hug, crying "I love you, man", dripping warm yellow piss down each other's trouser leg.
And if you're stood, chap in hand, and hear the phrase "Any idea what these pustules are? They go the length of the shaft, and they seep green goo", run for the hills!
Honest to god, next time someone chats to me when I'm pissing, I'll spin round in mock shock and let rip all over their shoes.

Sin Number Three: Cubicle Hierarchy Abuse

This is my own particular bugbear. When I enter a cubicle for the obvious, I'm entering my own private world. The thin walls represent a force-field through which nothing should penetrate. I'll usually enter with a book or newspaper, and I'll be there some time.
The main thrust of my problem lies with the occupancy of the remaining cubicle. Naturally, it's a binary value- the cubicle is either occupied or empty.
If occupied, then when I enter the other cubicle, I've made a bold and important statement that it's now MY turn to shit. As I'm unbuckling, I'd better be hearing toilet rolls rolling, or tissues being pulled from dispensers. When I sit down, you'd better be flushing up and leaving the cubicle, or it's stabbing time again.
Of course, I return the favour. If I'm on the job and someone arrives in the second stall, I nip it off like a cigar-clipper and make my merry bow-legged way back to the desk. I may have appreciated more time at the altar of Cloaca, but crapping at work is always a gamble.
If you're in the occupied cubicle when I take my place, and you choose not to respect my arrival, I'll probably break down the stall wall and bludgeon you to death with the brown end of the toilet brush.
Just thought I'd let you know.
And another thing, what's with people who exit a cubicle after a shit when the mensroom is still occupied? At least wait until the pissing bloke has dried his hands and scarpered. This spares embarrasment all round, especially if you sit next to the guy all day, and he's overheard your most volcanic eruption since the aftermath of your night at the Vesuvius Curry-House. Give the guy chance to leave the scene of the crime. Hell, if you're in a rush, start spinning the toilet-roll or pulling out excess tissues: these will give the lad ample warning of your departure, and believe me, he'll be glad to be elsewhere when you open the door with an ashen-faced grimace.

Sin Number Four: The Noises...

For the love of pete...
I understand that emptying oneself causes unwarranted and undesireable side effects, I understand that... but why do some people insist of articulating every sly whimper? Noises like this...
*parp* ooohhh...
*poot* jeees....
*boof* christ...
Be Quiet!. I don't need the hideous sounds you're expelling to be accented. What do you think you're doing, supplying an editorial for your innards?
*parp* "wowee!"
*poot* "Phew, that was a doozey!"
*boof* "Hold onto your hat, loo-buddy, she's coming 'round the mountain!"
Just please, please, wait until I've gone before you fire her up. Hell, as soon as you lock the cubicle door, I'm wiping and hiking. Hold 'em in for a few more minutes, ok?

I dunno, maybe these things make me overly cranky. Maybe I just need a little peace and quiet when I'm on the throne.

Deep down, I know I'm being unreasonable.
I know I'm complaining about the most innocuous of habits.
I know I'm a Toilet Nazi
But these things have got to be stopped. Before the whole world goes to the dogs.

One People.
One Reich.
One Toilet.




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[info]wolflady26
2003-09-25 07:56 am UTC (link)
I have to say, I can't understand the urinal thing. As a woman, the idea of having to piss standing up, holding my weapon of choice in my hand, with some other guy - be it stranger, friend, or the Annoying Guy at work - is about the most humiliating thing I can think of. Why don't guys just have cubicals, like women? You manage to use toilets at home, why not in public? Is your aim really that bad? Does it save you so much time, not having to close that little door behind you?

It just so totally squicks me. Every time I see something about it in a movie or in that Garbage Video, I shudder and as - "Why do guys do that??!! I have a male friend who literally cannot use a public toilet. And I think if I were male, I would feel the same way.

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[info]kspragg
2003-09-25 08:12 am UTC (link)
I guess its because of space.. You can get a hell of a lot more people packed in to a stand up area, than you can put cubicles.

Plus - ever noticed at clubs, there's always a queue for the girls, but never for the guys?

Must point out that yet again, I had to stifle an all out guffaw, lest I be caught at work.. You bastard! ;-)

Keith (Trying to do work.. Honest!)

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[info]wolflady26
2003-09-25 10:01 am UTC (link)
Well, that's true. Though I think I'd rather stand in line than deal with the urinal thing ;)

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[info]scouseboy
2003-09-25 12:27 pm UTC (link)
I sympathise with your male friend on this issue.

I'm sure every man has times at the urinal when the juice just ain't flowing. You feel ridiculous, stood there holding the moneymaker and not being able to drain it, especially if the toilet is crowded.

I swear, next time it happens to me, I'm going to shout:
"I appear to be unable to piss. I didn't come here to ogle cock, and I'm now slightly embarrased. Good day to you, gentlemen."
I'll stride off into the night accompanied by the applause of the guys who've been there.

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[info]wolflady26
2003-09-25 02:51 pm UTC (link)
Ugh, I hadn't even thought of that. I think I'd rather die than go through that kind of embarrassment.

You know, when some woman throws childbirth in your face (Like, "What would a man know about pain?? You ever have a 9 pound baby go through a 1 inch opening???!!!"), you can always throw that kind of urinal experience right back at her.

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I didn't come here to ogle cock, and I'm now slightly embarrased.
[info]lavenderjones
2003-09-29 10:25 pm UTC (link)
I laughed at the main entry, but THIS made me CRY real tears. Have you ever read Dave Barry? He has a book (among a bazillion) called Dave Barry's Guide To Guys. He has drawn a small diagram of the correct procedure for urinal approach. In fact, there is a whole chapter dedicated to the art of toilet attendance. This link is from the first part of his book (unfortunately, the part in question isn't here, but it's a fun read anyway). If you can find the other chapters you're in luck! Guide To Guys
This next link is to his Blog. Dave Barry is to Blogs what VISA is to Shopping.
DaveBarry.com - The (un)Official Dave Barry Blog

Lav(vie) *grin*

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Re: I didn't come here to ogle cock, and I'm now slightly embarrased.
[info]scouseboy
2003-10-01 03:13 am UTC (link)
Heh, I'm glad there are others out there, fighting the good fight against toilet horror.

I've not heard of Dave Barry before. I'll look him up when I get a chance.

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Re: I didn't come here to ogle cock, and I'm now slightly embarrased.
[info]nuala
2003-12-16 08:14 am UTC (link)
woo hoo! Brilliant! I love Dave Barry, I haven't read him in years!

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[info]zigurat
2003-09-25 07:57 am UTC (link)
The first time I've very seriously had to laugh when reading anything on LiveJournal.

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(Anonymous)
2003-09-25 08:03 am UTC (link)
"And another thing, what's with people who exit a cubicle after a shit when the mensroom is still occupied? At least wait until the pissing bloke has dried his hands and scarpered. This spares embarrasment all round, especially if you sit next to the guy all day, and he's overheard your most volcanic eruption since the aftermath of your night at the Vesuvius Curry-House"

Re the above.
I once had to sit on the bog for over half an hour as i had nearly finished, was about to leave and two guys walk in to piss. They knew each other, and then proceeded to start talking. And telling jokes. I had sat there for 5 minutes or so thinking, they'll be gone in a second and i'll wait for them to go leave before i come out.
But no, they keep on telling jokes. No one else comes into the room which would have meant them leaving (as for God's sake i hope they wouldn't have continued to tell jokes while someone was at the urinal), so i kept sitting there waiting for them to leave, all the while making no noises. (very important to make no noise at all in a toilet.
After i while i am going "i have to leave, i can't sit here all day, my bum is freezing" but the other half of me is going "i can't leave now, they will know i have been sitting there the whole time listening to them talking the 20 minutes they have been joking around and think me the oddest creature on the planet."
So i just sat there for what seemed like ever.
Stabbings were SO deserved.

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[info]scouseboy
2003-09-25 12:23 pm UTC (link)
That's extremely harsh. Some people have no manners....

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[info]shermel
2003-09-25 02:34 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I've done something slightly similar. But it was only for five minutes.

I sympathise.

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[info]warmage
2003-09-25 09:05 pm UTC (link)
Start courtesy flushing.

Corollary to Sin Number Four regarding Noises:
When one cannot control the volume, pitch or... ermm.. timbre of their mudwhistle, it's courtesy to FLUSH before the noxious toxic vapors creep out of the loo and into the surrounding airspace.
If you're stuck with a naughty one and the fellow doesn't have the common decency to prevent olfactory homicide, post a polite note on the door next time:
The following treatises have been adopted by this and other Industrialized nations regarding the use (and moratorium against use) of "chemical and other deleterious compounds" against civilians and non-combatants. Please exercise your moral and civic duty and FLUSH YOUR NASTY BEFORE WE CAN ALL SMELL IT!! This is expressly suggested by the term "Courtesy Flush".

Thanks so much.

References/Conventions:
See also: http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/WebKWT?OpenView&Start=1&Count=150&Expand=26

1) Declaration (IV,2) concerning Asphyxiating Gases. The Hague, 29 July 1899.
2) Treaty relating to the Use of Submarines and Noxious Gases in Warfare. Washington, 6 February 1922.
3) Protocol for the Prohibition of the Use of Asphyxiating, Poisonous or Other Gases, and of Bacteriological Methods of Warfare. Geneva, 17 June 1925.
4) Draft Convention for the Protection of Civilian Populations Against New Engines of War. Amsterdam, 1938.
5) Draft Rules for the Limitation of the Dangers incurred by the Civilian Population in Time of War. ICRC, 1956
6) Convention on the prohibition of the development, production, stockpiling and use of chemical weapons and on their destruction, Paris 13 January 1993 "

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[info]koibito007
2003-09-25 08:23 am UTC (link)
Darn, I was laughing so hard other people wanted to know why, and I said, "You don't want to know, it's toilet humor."

I'm STILL smiling, REALLY smiling!

My face hurts!

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[info]sunyata__
2003-09-25 08:31 am UTC (link)
I am seriously convulsing with laughter at my desk.

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[info]theferrett
2003-09-25 08:51 am UTC (link)
SING IT, BROTHA!

Just sing it outside the bathroom. I am completely and 100% with you.

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Dont forget the courtesy flushes..
[info]mandy_gray
2003-09-25 09:09 am UTC (link)
to keep the fumes only slightly staggering. According to my cousin who has done some time in the county jail (where courtesy flushing is a common occurance), not only is it polite, not doing so will get you stabbed.

Once again, thanks for the giggle.

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Re: Dont forget the courtesy flushes..
[info]scouseboy
2003-09-25 12:28 pm UTC (link)
Toilet stabbings are getting frequent these days, in prison or no.

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[info]usmu
2003-09-25 11:28 am UTC (link)
AMEN!

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[info]jul3z
2003-09-25 11:44 am UTC (link)
*phew* at least I'm not the only one with public toilet issues. I totally agree with you.

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[info]das_hydra
2003-09-25 12:01 pm UTC (link)
Heil bro!

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[info]scouseboy
2003-09-25 12:22 pm UTC (link)
Heh, I see I've struck a chord with some of you... I'm glad I'm not the only Toilet Nazi about.

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[info]inahandbasket
2003-09-26 08:04 am UTC (link)
hell no.
I'm a toilet nazi, and proud of it.
a few days ago I'm at the urinal, and this wacky guy we work with walks into the bathroom, recognizes the signature shoes of one of our coworkers in a stall, and goes "Hey! Chris! how's it goin?"
our boss walks in and he goes: "Hey, Kevin, Chris is in the stall if you wanna talk to him!"

fucking little spaz almost got a sharpened paper-towel through the skull, i swear.

(friend of mine linked to your post. :o) )

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Such Wisdom
[info]dubheach
2003-09-25 12:22 pm UTC (link)
There are similar laws in force (hopefully) for the women's system as well. If I may add that although we (females) remain only slightly more civilized in the cubicle department, There has been more than one occasion to remove toilet paper and various other water-logged articles from the floor raising the level of barbarity and the possibility of stabbing the slobs if they were still around. Then there are those who insist on kicking the flush handle leaving all sorts of wonderous substances for the next person.

Otherwise I loved your post, and only had to wipe a small amount of nostril-propelled soda pop off my moniter after reading it.

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Re: Such Wisdom
[info]amaltheae
2003-09-25 01:12 pm UTC (link)
And really, what the hell is with the hover craft piss brigade that they cannot first lift the seat rather than spackling the entire stall, seat and all with a bright yellow addition? At the very least they could have the courtesy to apply some of that toilet paper to their splatter paint masterpiece before flushing and leaving the stall. Really people, toilet paper does not transmit most diseases. You regularly stick your hand in your own snatch, an altogether unpredictable place, to dab the same substance off yourself. Would it really kill you to remove it from some plastic?

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Re: Such Wisdom
[info]barelyproper
2003-09-25 02:03 pm UTC (link)
This may be a cultural thing. I knew an exchange school theacher who had to teach a woman how to properly use the toilet. In whatever Asian country she came from, (forgive, its been ten years) there was no sitting down you squatted over the hole in the floor... and she had been doing thusly on the toilet. Much embarassment was stirred but gatitude was the eventual result. Said teacher had learned about the squatting toilet-holes on an earlier trip to Asia.

Joys of cultural differences.

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Re: Such Wisdom
[info]scouseboy
2003-09-25 02:08 pm UTC (link)
The best loos I've been in were in Japan.

The urinals had targets on them, and if you hit the target, a little telly came on with a soft porn clip.

And the loos in the houses were good too. I stayed with a dentist on top of a moutain, and his loo had no water in it, just a covered hole that opened when you flushed. Connected to the side was a holster and high-powered water gun, to spray stuff away.

And the seat was heated, and it had a little button you pressed to make wave sounds outside the door, masking any flatulence you were experiencing.
It was like Jimmy Saville's chair (english reference, I'm afraid).

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Re: Such Wisdom
[info]barelyproper
2003-09-25 02:10 pm UTC (link)
They have some of the most wonderful stuff there I hear. One of the places I'd like tovisit before I am ninety

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Re: Such Wisdom
[info]nuala
2003-12-16 08:25 am UTC (link)
*wiping tears* can't. stop. giggling!

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Re: Such Wisdom
[info]amaltheae
2003-09-25 02:21 pm UTC (link)
I have generally found it to be the case in the bathrooms that are the least perceptibly clean overall, rather than any other pattern, as though because the grout is ugly, their ass is at greater risk than it would be sharing the same plastic in a bathroom where they understood how to bleech the grout effectively. (personally, any surface that has met with hundreds of asses today seems equally dangerous no matter what the grout looks like.) There may be exceptions, but I would be much happier to have at least the people who do know better knock off the nonsense.

And while we're on the subject, what is it with women's restrooms and the copious toilet paper on the floor? Is there some mandate that for every square flushed you or your child must add one to the floor?

And why is it that people who design buildings for a living cannot do a basic tensile strength calculation based on the flimsiness of the paper when compared with the gigantic heavy roll that it must be pulled from?

And when someone points out to you that the toilet paper in the ONLY handicapped stall in the establishment has a roll of toilet paper (the only roll in the stall) that was so mangled at some point that the cardboard center is irretreivably bent beyond any possibility of turning the roll of toilet paper without sitting on the ground and moving it by inches by lifting the roll up so that weight is no longer on the cardboard in question, the correct answer is not to nod politely and leave it there so that some woman who can barely get onto the toilet in the first place has to do the lunging, dingleberry balancing dance for paper.

Ahem.

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[info]kibbles
2003-09-25 01:09 pm UTC (link)
Have you seen those things that pass for urinals in Amsterdam? They're just little things to hide in, to piss in.

http://www.urinal.net/stadhouders_kade/

Had I not verified with sober people later on that they existed, I would have thought I had WAY too many space cakes for my own good.

Women are absolute PIGS in restrooms. I've seen more on the floor than in the bowl, and that's BOTH. I won't, just WON'T go into the whole disposal of monthly hygine items, either. It's stomach churning.

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Thank you
[info]dubheach
2003-09-25 01:25 pm UTC (link)
For your genteel restraint regarding Red Tent sails.

On the other hand, having to piddle in public with snow on the ground seems horribly uncivilized and nasty reminder of early school days when the crasser students peeked over the stalls to see the make and model of your equipment. I still have nightmares over that sometimes.

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[info]kevhead
2003-09-25 01:27 pm UTC (link)
With this entry you have gained a new viewer!

I do heartfully agree about your toilet etiquette. It drives me nuts when people are rude (by my standards). I live in a college dormitory, and one time, while taking a shower, some guy that had used the urinal TURNED THE LIGHTS OUT ON ME. It was not hard to hear the running water in the shower, but he was not thinking (or drunk/stoned/both). Not yet done with my shower, I had to wrap my towel around myself (thereby getting it partially damp, before I dried off!), turn on the lights, and finish.

Also, you have inspired me to take up my musings/rants once again. There are so many things on a college campus to bitch about, and I might as well get started!

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[info]his_angel
2003-09-25 01:44 pm UTC (link)
Okay, my "toilet pet peeves"
A. The roll goes over and NOT under
B. If you use a square of toilet paper then tear it off evenly. {i don't know why this irks me so much.}
C. FLUSH for goodness sakes! i hate going in the restroom and the toilet{s} are not flushed. Eww the stinch!
D. Do what you have to do and get out! This is a biggie.

Women i have found in mgeneral tend to get in the bathroom and take their jolly ole time doing whatever it is they do in that stall. i have literally been in lines where i got in and out and the person waiting behind me is still there because the FIVE people before me were still in the stalls.

i HATE public restrooms period. i go to great lengths to NOT have to use them. Even in school, working, travelling ... i can usually wait till i get back home. If not then i go in do what i have to and get out. There have been times though when i refuse to wait in a long line for the womens room when no one was in the men's room. On more than one occasion, i've crossed over and gone to the *other* restroom. No one has ever complained that i know of.

Loved what you had to say! Just felt like expressing my own thoughts as well from a female point of view.

You can thank [info]theferrett for pointing me over this way. ;)

His ~angel~

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Broke
[info]blow_saidjulian
2003-09-25 05:26 pm UTC (link)
I broke off a relationship because of toilet etiquette. I did a Feng Shui analysis of my flat and realised that my toilet was unfortunately positioned. The corrective modification was to keep the toile seat down at all time s to avoid flushing away the chi.

The ex was quite o.k. with that until I told him why I wanted the toilet seat down.

It was a negatively defining moment in our relationship.

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[info]off_coloratura
2003-09-25 06:54 pm UTC (link)
I find when I am faced with noises and/or commentary from the stall next door, plugging my ears and concentrating on the sound of my own breath fixes the problem long enough for me to finish my business. This generally agreed-upon denial works well when exiting the stall as well. Of course, since I'm a woman, I don't walk out of a cubicle to encounter a pissing person, so this is probably moot.

Just another reason why I would never in a million years want to be a man.

Anyway, I was raised to be pretty cavalier about bathroom privacy, and had to rein myself in a bit when I married a Toilet Nazi. (Close the door when I'm in there, don't come in when he's in there.) Sigh.

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[info]kimbyrle
2003-09-25 08:01 pm UTC (link)
Ever had someone start talking on a cell phone in the john? That's not only weird, it makes you want to flush the toilet several times to make extra certain the person on the other end of the phone realizes they're talking to someone in a bathroom.

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[info]alexandralynch
2003-09-25 10:09 pm UTC (link)
I guess I'm somewhat anti-Nazi.

Background. I'm female. Large family of women, a few men married in who spend a lot of time in another room talking about football together, defensively.

I grew up treating going to the bathroom as just something else you did. Small houses have one bathroom, and many small children are conditioned to go potty when they hear running water, and so one learned to pretend the shower curtain was a thick wall, and they learned to put the lid down and the showerer would flush when they got out. And I am one of the women that can start a conversation with another woman in the restaurant, take it into two adjoining stalls, drain tanks, and continue it right back on out again. (I have theories as to why we go in packs, but it's not for this post.)

I will, however, agree with you that people who pee all over the damn floor need to be shot. I mean, honey, it's your asscheeks and thighs contacting the seat, not your mucous membranes. Just sit, okay? And as to the whole red tide issue... Life happens. However, a lot of women aren't taught that you wrap it up in TP and make sure it gets in a trash can, outside the stall if necessary because they don't have the small ones in there.

It takes women longer on average because we've got more stuff on. Taking hose down without running them because you Have. To. Go. Now. is a trick.

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[info]stevenglassman
2003-09-25 10:51 pm UTC (link)
You, sir, have given this way too much thought.

But then, I'm frequently guilty of sin number two, so I'm not one to speak...

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[info]noacat
2003-09-26 05:02 am UTC (link)
*rofl* Omigod...that is the funniest thing I've read in awhile.

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And I thought I was the only one...
[info]stephenlank
2003-09-26 10:49 am UTC (link)
Thanks! You made my dreary office afternoon a whole lot brighter. I'm glad I'm nto the only one who has a hangup about public bathroom edicate.

My office has similar facilities: the twin urinals and the two stalls. One stall is regular width and the other is a half size wider to accomodate wheel chairs and crutches. An additionaly level of uncomfortableness is added when the only available stall is the wheelchair-accessible one. One day I was forced to take it and the one guy in the building who uses a wheelchair rolls up to the door and knocks. THAT has to be the worst hurry up and wipe experience I've ever had. He was remarkably polite about it. I 'll have to give him credit for that. It could've gone real sour, real quick.

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[info]xinamarie
2003-09-28 01:58 am UTC (link)
This is the funniest thing I've seen on LJ! On my friends list you go!

By the way, did you see Sunday's Cathy? Highlights the female loo queue nicely.

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hilarious!
[info]52eyesblue
2003-09-29 04:59 pm UTC (link)
this may sprout my own post about sharing a single stall bathroom with my 2 co-workers...however i don't have the 30 mins it wuold take to write said post...

thanks for the laughs

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